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Sacvs Interview with Michael Ray of the Sun Ra Arkestra

We are very proud to present the following interview with New Orleans resident and the Intergalactic Research Tone Scientist for the innovative and legendary Sun Ra Arkestra, Michael Ray. Michael Ray plays trumpets amongst many other instruments and has played and written material for many Kool & The Gang albums. He has toured constantly for over 40 years in various groups and is on close to a 100 albums. His tenure with Sun Ra presented a life long journey of sound that Michael Ray and the rest of the Arkestra is still keeping alive. This interview covers many periods of Michael Rays career, a career that has endless amounts of knowledge and stories.

Sacvs Interview with Michael Ray of the Sun Ra Arkestra

You have been playing in the Sun Ra Arkestra since the late 70′s, how and where did you meet Sun Ra?

I met Sun Ra at a festival in Phila. I was playing with the John Mennis big band, and the Arkestra was on the bill. I was amazed that all the musicians had suitcases filled with music! Sometime after that I had seen him on the trolley and told him how much I enjoyed his performance. He then invited me to come over and rehearse, the rest is history.

Your trumpet playing comes through beautiful on the Sun Ra masterpiece Lanquidity, how was the rehearsals for this album and how long did it take to prepare?

The Lanqiudity sessions was done in NY on the Phila Jazz label. For most of Sun Ra’s life he would rehearse the band every day, sometimes 10-15 hours a day so we had plenty of material. I do remember the producer hanging a pyramid over the mixing board during the recording.

Out of all of the Sun Ra charts you have studied over the years, what are the ones closest to your heart?

The big band arrangement of “Enlightenment” is my favorite along with “Opus in Springtime, and of course “They’ll Come Back”. I remember June Tyson singing that in Germany and I couldn’t stop crying.

How many Sun Ra recordings are you on and what were the most challenging records for you to make with Sun Ra?

I really don’t know how many records I’ve recorded with Sun Ra because they keep releasing some that I’ve forgotten about. At least 50 or 60 come to mind. The most challenging was “Mayan Temples” recorded in Italy. I am most proud of this one because I mixed it. Also the Horo recordings with the Quartet, my very first session with Ra.

There are many lengthy stories about all the band members and the type of directions they would receive from Ra, what were some of the ways Sun Ra changed you as a musician and as a human being?

The first strange instructions I got from Sun Ra was when we were rehearsing for a performance in Italy and he told me to play the vibrations of an apple that was on the table. He said “first you should know that the apple is red which deals with the first chakra of the body. Notice it’s round so to approach a note you have to take that into consideration. You can’t use your mind to play this music. You have to use your spirit”.

Now that Sun Ra has been gone from this planet for some time now, do you get moments where you feel the presence of Ra?

The spirit of Sun Ra is omnipresent. My first tribute to Sun Ra at the Flynn theater in Burlington, Vermont, I heard his voice on the way to the stage. Very eerie. I dream of him often and in many ways he has never left.

What are some of the philosophical subjects and views that Sun Ra gave you that stick out the most in your mind when you think about your time with him?

“The people are the instrument” sticks out when I reflect on his teachings Also the outer space employment agency’s a great concept.

You are on the late 70′s album “Strange Celestial Road” and the title pieces has one of my favorite trumpet solo sections on any Ra recording. The album was recorded at Variety Recording Studio, New York in 1979, do you remember the sessions for this album vividly?

The Variety recording studio sessions was one of the best!! We were able to produce at least 6 or 7 albums from that one date! I learned a lot during that time about different ways to record Ra. He was always creating and was a first take musician. During the mix down of one song, Sun Ra fell asleep. After setting the mixing board up for a take, I asked Sun Ra how did it sound. He said “It sounds horrible” and went back to sleep. We spent over an hour resetting the board. When he woke up I asked again and he told me ” Michael you’re into the earth thing, give me the phone”.  He then called Danny Thompson in Philadelphia and instructed him to go into the chaos room and bring a trunk full of quarter inch tapes to the studio. When they arrived we began to go through over 50 tapes until he selected one to fly into the track. If you listen carefully you can hear it on “I’ll Wait For You”. Also from that session we recorded a quartet setting with Samari on drums, Victor Sproles on bass and Gilmore and Ra. Truly fantastic. I believe this was the longest session we had ever done.

From talking to Jimi Hendrix historians, there is a lot of covered material about the time he was working and hanging with Rahsaan Roland Kirk in 1968 and 1969. They all tell me Kirk introduced Jimi and Sun Ra, have you ever heard anything about this period of their lives?

I know that Rahsaan and Sun Ra were friends. He also liked Jimi.

Art Yard Records has been doing some really great reissue runs of some of the Sun Ra albums you are on, how do you feel about their label?

Art Yard Records is ran by Peter Dennett, a good friend of mine from London. He truly believes in the music and especially Sun Ra’s music. I believe the label has the musicians well-being in mind.

Fela Kuti spoke highly of Sun Ra, do you remember any of their interactions?

The interaction with Fela was before I was in the band. I remember members of the band telling me when they were in Lagos Nigeria , they were invited to a party at Fela’s house. Sun Ra instructed the band not to go. It turned out to be the same night that Fela’s compound got raided and his grandmother was thrown out of the window.

You toured extensively with the Arkestra through the States and Europe, how was it like travelling with all the musicians and everyone else involved?

Traveling with the band was one big family. To quote Gilmore “Never a dull moment”. In the early years I hung with June Tyson. We must have went to all of the museums all over Europe. My roommate was Marshall Allen. Sun Ra kept a strict code. We lived like monks. No parties, no women and no drugs. We never stopped rehearsing because Sun Ra never stopped writing.

Growing up, how did you get into playing trumpet and who were the first players that really made you find your own sound?

I was influenced by my cousin Arthur Brooks who also played trumpet. I convinced my parents to but me a horn. I started playing in the 6th grade and I became serious with the help of my mentor Joe Ski, a vibes player and drummer from Trenton. I didn’t get a voice until I got with Sun Ra.

In your bio it states, “In addition to concerts, he creates innovative multi-arts collaborations focusing on sound and color that utilize original jazz compositions, neon set installations, dance and poetry. His Neon-Sound Performance concept won a regional arts award in 1993 (National Endowment for the Arts, the Rockefeller and Andy Warhol Foundations).” How did this project start and is it still something you take part in actively?

Upon moving to New Orleans I became partners with Gloria Powers, cultural anthropologist and Jerry Therio, a neon set designer. We formed a company called “Rhythm and Muse” where we did set decorations and went into clubs. Totally altered the environment with neon and the band would play the colors from there. We did presentations with “Young Audiences of America” going into schools to do classes with students about frequencies and color vibrations. There’s a book called “The Cosmic Octave” which helped in forming the concept. I really miss my partners and Nawlin’s.
 
You recorded with Instant Funk for their 1979 album Witch Doctor at Blank Tape Studios, Inc, New York, how was this experience and was this one of the gateways that lead you to Kool & The Gang?

Most of the players from Instant Funk are from Trenton, my hometown. Also Kool and the Gang are Jersey boys. I’ve recorded with them early on.

How did your appearance with PHISH come about and how do you view their sounds in context of contemporary music?

I was looking for a guitar player to make a gig with the Cosmic Krewe and Stacy Starkweather suggested Trey. He came down to a rehearsal and the rest is history. Much respect for Phish. One reason is they have the utmost respect for their fans. One interesting note, I got a call from Trey to come do a session in NY. Upon arriving I asked what are we going to play, he said “I believe somewhere in the cosmos, there are no words just music”. So we rolled tape. The first song was 37 minutes long, which culminated in the ‘Surrender to the Air ” C.D, I thinks that’s the first session I was recorded on piano for one of the tracks.

Sun Ra innovated so much in music, and the same goes with the drumming sequencing he utilized for the record Disco 3000, do you remember this phase and how he came to incorporate this into his sound?

With regards to Disco 3000, we were rehearsing for a concert in Milan, Italy and Sun Ra had a prototype organ/synthesizer imported from Japan. During the performance, they showed the film “Space is the Place” without the soundtrack. We were behind the screen and interpreted the movie live.

What is the happiest memory you have with Sun Ra?

The happiest moment with Sun Ra was when we played a Colosseum in the south of France. It was an old amphitheater built by the Romans complete with a lions den. Maybe 10,000 people in the audience. Sun Ra told me “you got it “. It was my first solo by myself. During the solo I discovered that there was a natural echo in the air and proceeded to have fun with the solo. An unforgettable experience. Also at a concert in Holland. After we played the crowd of thousands were shouting Ra RA RA for over a hour. Like at a world cup soccer game. Sun Ra was on the tour bus with a mystical grim which I will never forget Another moment was the tribute to Fletcher Henderson in NYC. Doing the entire book of Fletcher Henderson took my playing to another level. John Gilmore always said “the stomps will keep your chops in shape”.

There has been a lot of mixed up talk if Transparency Records is in good terms with the Arkestra for the releases they have put out, can you mention anything about that subject?

Personally I’m against the Transparency because there are NO royalties paid for the performers. Many of them are such poor quality and not mastered.

Thanks for your time Michael Ray, we really appreciate it.

Erik Otis

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  1. Adran Alvarez
    May 11, 2011 at 8:25 pm | #1

    Awesome interview, what an honor!!!

  1. April 13, 2012 at 7:17 am | #1
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